will be forced into this public health care plan and a study done for the heritage foundation by the lewin group says 88 million people, at least 88 million people will be forced into the public plan. let's listen to this exchange from president obama's town hall in portsmouth today. >> i still worry that if we go to a public option, period, that the private companies, the insurance companies, rather than competing -- because who can compete with the government? the answer is, nobody. my question is, do you still as yourself now support a universal plan or are you open to the private industry still being maintained? >> the only thing that i have said is that having a public option in that menu would provide competition for insurance companies to keep them honest. >> so it would seem clear, sanjay, that at least some people are going to go into a public plan. big question is, how much would that take away from the private plans? how much would it undercut it? and what number of people would eventually end up in the public plan? >> that's right. that study quoted, john, has numbers varying f